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More on today's California Supreme Court order
In today's order agreeing to hear cases S168047, S168066, and S168078, the California Supreme Court agreed to hear the following questions: (Paraphrased)

1) Is Prop 8 a revision to the California Constitution and therefore ineligible to utilize the amendment process?
2) Does the passage of Prop 8 violate the separation of powers in the California Constitution?
3) What is the status of existing same-sex marriages that were legally performed before Prop 8?

For the most part, we knew Questions 1 and 3 were going to show up and that's what everyone was preparing to see argued, but Question 2 took a friend of mine and myself by surprise. I kinda originally ignored it because I figured it was just some random other argument someone brought in one of the cases to hedge against a failure in the original revision argument... but I decided to look it up and see what that argument was.

Well, I have to say I'm extremely disappointed with the people arguing here, because the argument they advanced here is thoroughly insane and ludicrous. I'm almost surprised the court decided to hear this portion of the complaint...

The origin of this question arises from case S168066. Paragraphs 19 - 21 of the amended petition provide the explanation of this argument:


20. Proposition 8 also violates the separation of powers doctrine embodied in the California Constitution. "From it's inception, the California Constitution has contained an explicit provision embodying the separation of powers doctrine. (Cal. Const of 1849, art. III, § 1, now art. III § 3.) Article III, section 3, provides: 'The powers of State government are legislative, executive and judicial. Persons charged with the exercise of one power may not exercise either of the others except as permitted by this Constitution." Superior Court v. County of Mendocine, 13 Cal. 4th 45, 52, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d 837, 841 (1996).
21. Under the separation of powers doctrine, "the Legislature may not undertake to readjudicate controversies that have been litigated in the courts and resolved by final judicial judgement." Superior Court v. County of Mendocino, 13 Cal. 4th 45, 52, 51 Cal.Rptr.2d 837, 841 (1996).
22. The power of the electorate in the initiative process is the constitutional power of the electors "to propose statutes ... and to adopt or reject them" (Cal. Const., art II, § 8, subd. (a)), and "is generally coextensive with the power of the Legislature to enact statutes." Santa Clara County Local Transportation Authority v. Guardino. 11 Cal. 4th 220, 253, 45 Cal.Rptr.2d 207, 228 (1995). Thus, the initiative process violates the separation of powers doctrine when it is used to readjudicate controversies that have been litigated and settled by the courts.

Note: Contents transcribed from the petition by hand and may not be accurate against the original document to the letter. The original may be accessed here: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/documents/20081105135855223.pdf


I can't decide whether this argument is creative or desperate, but either way it ends up being pretty insane. Basically the court would have to rule that the people are bound by the same separation of powers doctrine that officials are bound by and their powers under the constitution are limited by this precept. This alone seems pretty insane, especially when you consider that the power being exercised here is that of constitutional amendment and not simply of initiative of a statue. This is a power the legislature simply doesn't have, so the argument that the people's power to do this is the same as the legislature is absurd.

Moreover, the clear intent of the framers in providing the people with the initiative process was to provide an appropriate check against the government going shapes. Clearly the principle of checks and balances applies here. Declaring that the people should be unable to "readjudicate controversies that have been litigated and settled by the courts" is entirely antithetical to the intent of checks and balances and even from a high level perspective this argument is deeply flawed and sets a dangerous precedent. (In fact, it engraves a certain permanence to precedent that just shouldn't be there. While I agree the initiative process allows court rulings to be overturned much too easily, it clearly is within the domain of the initiative process to do, though it would be nice if it took just a bit more than %50+1.)

What a weird argument. What were the lawyers on this one thinking?

The revision argument is much much better and actually has a chance of success. I guess it's always nice to give the court something to say reject so they can end up making a mixed ruling instead of one that just does exactly and completely what one side does... but come on folks, was there no better argument?

Or did I just miss something?



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Re-adjudication by propositional legislation
(Anonymous)
2008-11-21 07:29 pm UTC (link)
YOU: "Declaring that the people should be unable to "readjudicate controversies that have been litigated and settled by the courts" is entirely antithetical to the intent of checks and balances"

The original FEDERAL intent of the separation of powers, and checks and balances is that neither the people nor the legislature can "adjudicate" except under the most arduous of processes, otherwise the constitution becomes cluttered with the temporal whims of the majority and a devolves into a list of statutes, which CAN be passed by majority rule) . . . The original intent, of reserving constitutional judicial prerogative to the judges, was exactly what the founders of our country had in mind when they required a 2/3 majority vote by all state legislatures to propose an amendment and a full 3/4 approval to ratify it. Only then could the "people" overturn judicial review.

It is true that the California proposition process places nowhere near that onerous a burden on those that choose to overturn legislative or judicial prerogatives, it might be a better idea if they could only legislate in the first place. There has been much scholarly discussion in recent years whether the California constitution is being fettered by the cause du jour, and losing its original purpose at the whim of the proposition process. In fact this is not the first time this exact question has been decided by the California Supreme Court:

Here quoted from the ACLU:
This would not be the first time the court has struck down an improper voter initiative. In 1990, the court stuck down an initiative that would have added a provision to the California Constitution stating that the "Constitution shall not be construed by the courts to afford greater rights to criminal defendants than those afforded by the Constitution of the United States." That measure was [declared] invalid because it improperly attempted to strip California's courts of their role as independent interpreters of the state's constitution.

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Re: Re-adjudication by propositional legislation
[info]djcapelis
2008-11-21 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I absolutely agree the California requirement is way too absurdly low and the federal requirement is much better in terms of requiring 3/4ths to re-adjudicate. That doesn't mean the courts should be declaring separation of powers dictates that they can never be re-adjudicated no matter the requirement threshold.

I believe the referenced case from the ALCU was resolved using the revision v. amendment argument which is Question 1. This question I think is very much a valid point and I'm hoping the justices will see it that way. Question 2 was the point that I was declaring a bit absurd, if you intend to argue that this argument holds water, you should cite a case that actually uses it.

If the ACLU thought the argument advanced in Question 2 held any water they should have put it in their petition. They didn't. They filed S168047. The only petition which contains the argument that resulted in question 2 was the petition for S168066.

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legislation by referendum IS legislation and therefore subject to balance of powers limitations
(Anonymous)
2008-11-21 08:46 pm UTC (link)
I think the argument goes like this: If Prop 8 is in fact a revision, and further if that revision is to specifically preclude the California courts from enforcing the equal protection clauses of the US and California constitutions, then this proposition is invalid because it also fundamentally changes the separation of powers. The case I quoted from the ACLU blurb on the appeal was precisely on that point . . that decision specifically struck down the proposition's attempt to limit judicial review. Again, from the text of the 1991 proposition: "Constitution shall not be construed by the courts to afford greater rights . . " that referral to the limitation of judicial power by legislation in the form of proposition, was struck down precisely because an abridgment of the courts constitutional duty to excercise judical review IS a violation of the separation of powers, intended by the California constitution.

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Re: legislation by referendum IS legislation and therefore subject to balance of powers limitations
[info]djcapelis
2008-11-21 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I understand the argument, I just think it's unwise. I think the ACLU agrees or they would have put it in their petition. Second, as to your point about "if prop 8 is in fact a revision" it doesn't matter anything about "further if" because if it's a revision it didn't go through the right process and gets overturned on that single argument alone. No balance of powers argument needed.

The decision you're citing simply shows the broad impact on balance of powers to *make* the revision argument which is grounds for overturning. The decision, from what I see of it, which isn't much, did not overturn the amendment on the grounds that it violated separation of power. Instead, it showed that changing of the balance of power was so fundamental to the constitution that the amendment did indeed constitute a revision and therefore must go through the stricter process for a revision and was not valid as an amendment.

There's a small additional bit of information about the case here which clarifies this a bit: http://books.google.com/books?id=srZnCmkFiEMC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=Raven+vs+Deukmejian&source=web&ots=shYm4PHXIB&sig=CNVDCFcHjBwkqYea4UyuZjxbYAs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA104,M1

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Re: legislation by referendum IS legislation and therefore subject to balance of powers limitations
[info]djcapelis
2008-11-21 09:53 pm UTC (link)
That book link leads to page 104 and the section I'm talking about is at the end of 103, so you'll want to scroll up a tad.

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revisions and decisions
(Anonymous)
2008-11-21 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Wasn't what made it a revision the attempt to abrogate the separate power of the judiciary, is so then it stands as a separate grounds for appeal.

The definition of unconstitutional is attempting to do that which is not constitutional, and any or all arguments, separately or together, that evince that proposition ought to be brought to the attention of judicial review. If for no other reason than the tactical one, that you'll never know what rings a Judges chime until he renders a decision on an argument.

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Re: revisions and decisions
(Anonymous)
2008-11-21 10:48 pm UTC (link)
OOps he or SHE renders a decision on an argument . .sigh

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